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 DusterLag Member / Driver  Offline
Message Posts: 8108 Joined: May 1, 2010 |
Effective immediately the varying wear factor range will change to 3x through 5x for the T-Bone National Series. |
| DusterLag | Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 7:24pm EDT |
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Speedyman11 TMS Admin, ARL Event Moderator Offline
Message Posts: 69 Joined: October 19, 2013 |
imo 3x is still isn't high enough for how short these races are 4-6x would better suit this series |
| Speedyman11 | Monday, April 3, 2017 at 2:10pm EDT |
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Fordly56 Member / Driver Offline
Message Posts: 184 Joined: July 6, 2014 Location: Cape May, NJ |
didn't you guys only use just one factor in the past? I think I heard it was three. how about factors based on the track size? say a track that's a mile and a half or larger could be a factor of two or three, and a track less than that could be a factor of four or five. nothing is more annoying than running a hundred lap race at Pocono at a factor of five. you are in the pits more than on the track! at the same time, with segmented races, a factor of two or even three means pitting once on a short track. I think a factor of six would mean more pits than is fun on any track! Driver of the #2 Penske Racing Ford
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| Fordly56 | Monday, April 3, 2017 at 5:07pm EDT |
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Speedyman11 TMS Admin, ARL Event Moderator Offline
Message Posts: 69 Joined: October 19, 2013 |
I see your point Fordly for some tracks 6x wouldn't make sense but for 90% of the schedule and how short these races are they now have no pit strategy. The first segment hurts any strategy call you would make and doesn't mean anything because you can just get all your laps back. It gives less incentive to practice and do a fuel run because now it doesn't matter if you run out of gas in the first segment because you will just end up back on the lead lap anyway as we start the second. So far this year with how many pace laps we burn after the segment it makes it even shorter making it no different than the practices we run before the race. It definitely affects this series more then cup but its occurring in both series. |
| Speedyman11 | Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:39pm EDT |
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Fordly56 Member / Driver Offline
Message Posts: 184 Joined: July 6, 2014 Location: Cape May, NJ |
hey speedy, those are some good points also. I've never made a race plan that included running out of gas but I guess some guys might. when I first heard about these segmented races I didn't like it then and I like it less now. the drivers and nascar came up with it together in an attempt to reignite sagging fan interest. the loss of fans mean the loss of sponsors and with that goes the big fat pay checks they all get! I was at Daytona this year and i'll tell you, there were plenty of empty seats. at the gates, they were giving away tickets to the back stretch seats. I may be wrong but in nascar the segment ends just like any other caution period. the lucky dog is the only one to get his lap back, the cars can stay out if they don't want to pit, and there is no break during the caution. perhaps we could do something like that. as a nascar fan, I go to see drivers drive. as a heat driver, I enter to drive. nothing is a bigger bite in the butt than to enter a race with a factor of five where it takes seversl laps to get your tires burnt in, you then get into a grove, you start to make headway, and your fuel light starts to flash! I can't see a factor of six making that any better. does tms or nhrl run races like this? if so, how do they do it? I know duster has the plan. he always does! Driver of the #2 Penske Racing Ford
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| Fordly56 | Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 6:38pm EDT |
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Donaldson Contributor Offline
Message Posts: 546 Joined: May 1, 2010 Location: North Carolina, US |
Make it so people can lose spots on pit road for the mandatory caution. As it sits now everyone will get 4 tires and gas, keep their position, no strategy whatsoever. If you can lose spots then we will have strategy. (2 tires, 4 tires, short pitting before the caution, staying out while under the mandatory caution). Just have everyone race off of pit road like normal and stop on the backstretch. If this were to happen, then you would break the field into 2 categories. Those drivers who are trying to get the segment point bonus. And then those drivers 4th on back who are going to do some type of strategy to get to the front. If its a track like pocono, indy, the plate tracks or a road course those cars 4th on back could even short pit 1 lap before the caution and then stay out for the mandatory caution and inherit the lead but sacrifice fuel. Depending on the wear factor and where the midway point is with laps you may just stay out on the mandatory caution as well sometimes depending on your pit strategy. |
| Donaldson | Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 7:01pm EDT |
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